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Discussion for Today
[edit]- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025_February_14
February 14
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Category:Television news anchors from insular areas of the United States
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:Disasters in the Palestinian territories
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Disasters in the Palestinian territories to Category:Disasters in Palestine
- Propose renaming Category:Fires in the State of Palestine to Category:Fires in Palestine
- Propose renaming Category:Riots and civil disorder in the Palestinian territories to Category:Riots and civil disorder in Palestine
- Propose renaming Category:Massacres in the Palestinian territories to Category:Massacres in Palestine
- Propose renaming Category:Terrorist incidents in the State of Palestine to Category:Terrorist incidents in Palestine
- Propose renaming Category:School massacres in the State of Palestine to School massacres in Palestine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hassan697 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per actual content. As I understand it, the category tree for Palestinian territories (where categories are parented under "former country") includes everything related to Palestine from 1948 to 2012, before the PNA began referring to itself as the State of Palestine. However, the nominated categories also contain content from after 2012, so there is no reason to deviate from standard country classification practices. Hassan697 (talk) 20:55, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Rename, per precedent in this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:July 2022 sports events in Moldova
[edit]- Propose merging Category:July 2022 sports events in Moldova (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2022 in Moldovan sport and Category:July 2022 sports events in Europe
- Propose deleting Category:July 2022 in Moldova (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2022 in Moldova by month (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated categories. Not useful for navigation. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:29, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:41, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Region of setting
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Works by region of setting to Category:Works by location of setting and re-parent
- Propose renaming Category:Ballets by region of setting to Category:Ballets by location of setting
- Propose renaming Category:Plays by region of setting to Category:Plays by location of setting
- Propose renaming Category:Short stories by geographic region to Category:Short stories by location of setting
- Nominator's rationale: rename (and re-parent the top category), we use "location" to summarize continents, countries, regions, waters, populated places, outer space. See Category:Categories by location. "Region" is used for regions in continents or regions in countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:28, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:September 2022 sports events in Fiji
[edit]- Propose merging Category:September 2022 sports events in Fiji (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:September 2022 sports events in Oceania
- Propose merging Category:December 2022 in Fiji (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2022 in Fiji and Category:December 2022 in Oceania
- Propose deleting Category:September 2022 in Fiji (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2022 in Fiji by month (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated categories. Not useful for navigation. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:42, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:42, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:November 2022 sports events in Ecuador
[edit]- Propose merging Category:October 2022 sports events in Ecuador (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2022 in Ecuadorian sport, Category:October 2022 sports events in South America, and Category:October 2022 in Ecuador
- Propose merging Category:November 2022 sports events in Ecuador (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:2022 in Ecuadorian sport, Category:November 2022 sports events in South America, and Category:November 2022 in Ecuador
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated categories. Not useful for navigation. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:44, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:43, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:Marshall Thundering Herd football venues
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Marshall Thundering Herd football venues to Category:College football venues in West Virginia and Category:Marshall Thundering Herd sports venues and Category:Marshall Thundering Herd football
- Propose merging Category:West Virginia Mountaineers football venues to Category:College football venues in West Virginia and Category:West Virginia Mountaineers sports venues and Category:West Virginia Mountaineers football
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT User:Namiba 15:31, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge, this applies to most or all football venue by team categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:James Cook
[edit]- Propose splitting Category:James Cook to Category:James Cook and Category:Participants in James Cook's voyages (or similar)
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:COPSEP we shouldn't have biographical and non-biographical articles in the same category. However the people category may fall foul of WP:OCASSOC, in which case happy to purge of biographical articles. --woodensuperman 14:41, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Split or purge per nom, it is a borderline case of WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:Thomas & Friends videos
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: While there is nothing wrong with covering Thomas & Friends home video, this category only has one article, which does not mention any home releases. RanDom 404 (talk) 14:14, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:Bangladesh College of Physicians and Surgeons alumni
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: More specific name because of Fellowship (FCPS). Niasoh ❯❯❯ Wanna chat? 13:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- If renamed I suppose it should be "fellows" in plural. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:51, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:People from Brookline, New Hampshire
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 11:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:52, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:Television anchors from Charleston, South Carolina
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 10:58, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:South Carolina television anchors. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:54, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment, I listed the 2nd target at WP:CFDS for renaming to Category:Television anchors from South Carolina per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:45, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:People from Biddeford, Maine, by occupation
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Subcategory with just two entries.
Also propose merging
- Category:People from Auburn, Maine, by occupation to Category:People from Auburn, Maine
- Category:People from Augusta, Maine, by occupation to Category:People from Augusta, Maine
- Category:People from Brunswick, Maine, by occupation to Category:People from Brunswick, Maine
- Category:People from Lewiston, Maine, by occupation to Category:People from Lewiston, Maine
- Category:People from South Portland, Maine, by occupation to Category:People from South Portland, Maine
Also subcategories with just two or three entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 10:46, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:People from Yellowknife by occupation
[edit]- Propose merging Category:People from Yellowknife by occupation to Category:People from Yellowknife
- Nominator's rationale: Subcategory with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 10:36, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:Tang dynasty short stories
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, largely overlapping categories. I have tagged them both. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as one is part of Category:Tang dynasty literature (written then) and one is part of Category:Tang dynasty in fiction (still being written). Just add "see also" links between them, and remove the new parent Category:Short stories set in the Middle Ages from the first one. If merged to the second, the contents would also have to be merged to Category:1st-millennium short stories and selectively to Category:Chinese short stories. – Fayenatic London 11:01, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Note: I set up the 1st millennium category following support for the principle at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_22#Category:794_short_stories. – Fayenatic London 11:14, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- That raises a broader question: should all literature articles be both in a period by writing category and a period of setting category, also if these periods are the same? It seems overcategorization to me. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Fiction set in ancient history
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Films set in the 26th century BC (2 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 26th century BC and Category:Films set in the 3rd millennium BC
- Propose merging Category:Films set in the 21st century BC (1 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 21st century BC and Category:Films set in the 3rd millennium BC
- Propose merging Category:Films set in the 20th century BC (2 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 20th century BC and Category:Films set in the 2nd millennium BC
- Propose merging Category:Novels set in the 15th century BC (3 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 15th century BC; manually merge to Category:Novels set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Novels set in the 16th century BC (2 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 16th century BC; manually merge to Category:Novels set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Novels set in the 18th century BC (2 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 18th century BC; manually merge to Category:Novels set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Novels set in the 19th century BC (3 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 19th century BC; manually merge to Category:Novels set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Novels set in the 20th century BC (2 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 20th century BC; manually merge to Category:Novels set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Novels set in the 26th century BC (3 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 26th century BC; manually merge to Category:Novels set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Short stories set in the 26th century BC (1 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 26th century BC and Category:Short stories set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Short stories set in the 10th century BC (1 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 10th century BC and Category:Short stories set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Short stories set in the 4th century BC (1 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 4th century BC and Category:Short stories set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Short stories set in the 1st century BC (1 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 1st century BC and Category:Short stories set in ancient history
- Propose merging Category:Short stories set in the 4th century (1 P) to Category:Fiction set in the 4th century and Category:Short stories set in ancient history
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated and poorly-populated categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge all per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:12, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:Characters created by Tony Isabella
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Subject's new preferred name. See Jenny_Blake_Isabella#Personal_life. Alxeedo TALK 03:31, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Comment, the article was recently moved without discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:Americanized surnames
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Americanized surnames to Category:Anglicized surnames
- Nominator's rationale: The main article for this page is anglicisation of names. "American" isn't a language and many of these surnames are used in other countries than the US, including Canada, the UK, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand. ★Trekker (talk) 12:30, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Someone should check the articles too. Bell (surname) and Byers (surname) seem to be plain English-language surnames. And it is not clear if Blomquist really deviates from an original Swedish form. But better have it checked by a native English speaker. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:37, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
- Listify - For the reasons illustrated above. This just looks like WP:OR (editors making a subjective determination for inclusion). This just cries out for explanations and references. Neither of which can be done with categories, per WP:BEFORECAT/WP:CLN. - jc37 17:53, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - As an aside, these fall under what I call "before and after" categories. (This was that, but now, it's this.) The clearest example of which is: renaming of people, companies, countries, etc. An article is one entry in a category. And can't show an individual relationship with another article (unless we started making innumerable 2-article categories). We should just establish that such categories are disallowed and are better as lists. Well... We do in WP:CLN#Disadvantages of a category, numbers 2 and 7 point to this, for example. But apparently we need to mke this clearer, I guess. - jc37 18:07, 26 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Listify?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:41, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- I am not against listification, just hope that someone volunteers for it. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:10, 5 February 2025 (UTC)
- It seems to be mostly done at Anglicisation of names. I think we could probably leave the rest to editorial discretion. - jc37 16:07, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also noting that Category:Anglicized surnames exists and is not a redirect back to Category:Americanized surnames, so a traditional rename is not possible.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:27, 14 February 2025 (UTC)- Comment, I think it should be subsumed into Category:Anglicized surnames, because, as stated above, any “Americanization” would inherently be Anglicization. I’m not sure whether that’s considered a merge, or if another process is typically used. AnandaBliss (talk) 04:22, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:Virtual reality pioneers
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: From Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_19#Virtual_reality_->_Extended_reality:
–LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:40, 27 January 2025 (UTC)Please renominate "Virtual reality pioneers" separately. The term is generally only used in retrospect and I don't think it's controversial to say VR is still developing in a way that it's hard for us to say who is and isn't a pioneer from the present vantage point.
— User:Axem Titanium 23:45, 20 January 2025 (UTC)- Oppose (keep). All the nominated categories can be kept without any deletions or renamings instead. 67.209.130.111 (talk) 05:35, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- I am not for or against the proposal, just noting that this last oppose vote should be discounted, as it does not provide any rationale for opposing. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose (keep). All the nominated categories can be kept without any deletions or renamings instead. 67.209.130.111 (talk) 05:35, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- Rename to Virtual reality people. I didn't mean to imply it's a useless category in my previous comment, just that pioneer is the wrong word to use here. Axem Titanium (talk) 03:17, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:50, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- If not kept, rename is probably a better solution than deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:15, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- On the other hand, we do have Category:Mass media pioneers as a parent category and the use of "pioneer" there has not posed a problem. (Perhaps because it's easy to judge who was a pioneer once the technology is mature/old enough and we have a better perspective). Pichpich (talk) 20:47, 4 February 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Pichpich's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:26, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:National highways
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Categorisation by WP:SHAREDNAME that means different things in each of the different countries with member subcategories. I added Category:Highways by country to those that weren't already included via a parent, so it's now redundant. Paul_012 (talk) 22:52, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
- Does it really mean different things? I would expect it means (everywhere) that they are owned by the national government rather than by states or provinces. Maybe still delete as a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:27, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- In Thailand at least, "national highway" is just one class out of several that are owned by the national government. The other classes are included under Category:Highways in Thailand. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:22, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
- So it still means they are owned by national government, just like in other countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:31, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- In Thailand at least, "national highway" is just one class out of several that are owned by the national government. The other classes are included under Category:Highways in Thailand. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:22, 28 January 2025 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's latest comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:23, 4 February 2025 (UTC)- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:19, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:People from Palestine
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Duplicates the scope of Category:Palestinian people. For people from the entire geographical region of Palestine, Category:People from Palestine (region) exists. --Hassan697 (talk) 20:09, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- • From reading the other comments, my conclusion is that for all ethnic Palestinians, we should use Category:Palestinians. For nationals of the the modern State of Palestine we use Category:Palestinian people.
- Category:Palestinian people should be merged into Category:People from Palestine. The categories should have clear descriptions of the purpose.
- Category:People from Palestine should be a sub-category of Category:Palestinians Isoceles-sai (talk) 15:02, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Unsure. By merging we would throw away the distinction between people living in the state of Palestine versus ethnic Palestinian people living in the surrounding countries. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:56, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- For ethnic Palestinians, there is a separate Category:Palestinians. Meanwhile, Category:Palestinian people is specifically for nationals of the modern State of Palestine. --Hassan697 (talk) 14:06, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- If that's the case, then maybe Category:Palestinian people should be merged to Category:People from Palestine, since this is a clearer title. Cremastra (talk) 21:12, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- But all categories for articles on people according to their nationality (see Category:People by nationality) are titled Fooian people. Why make an exception for Palestine? Hassan697 (talk) 09:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- We make exceptions when there is ambiguity, e.g. Category:People from Georgia (country). Marcocapelle (talk) 11:49, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- But all categories for articles on people according to their nationality (see Category:People by nationality) are titled Fooian people. Why make an exception for Palestine? Hassan697 (talk) 09:46, 10 February 2025 (UTC)
- If that's the case, then maybe Category:Palestinian people should be merged to Category:People from Palestine, since this is a clearer title. Cremastra (talk) 21:12, 8 February 2025 (UTC)
- For ethnic Palestinians, there is a separate Category:Palestinians. Meanwhile, Category:Palestinian people is specifically for nationals of the modern State of Palestine. --Hassan697 (talk) 14:06, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC) - While I acknowledge that the category name could be debated and that an exception—similar to the one for Georgia—could be considered, I believe this should be addressed in a separate renaming discussion. My current proposal focuses solely on eliminating scope duplication. Later we can discuss whether an exception should be made for Palestine, similar to Georgia. However, this is a separate issue from the current redundancy. Additionally, the case of Georgia is different because Georgia is a disambiguation page, whereas Palestine is now the article about the modern state, with the disambiguation page moved to Palestine (disambiguation). --Hassan697 (talk) 20:40, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Palestine is also different from Georgia because there is Palestinian ethnicity in the surrounding countries, which makes "Palestinian" in that respect more ambiguous than "Georgian". Marcocapelle (talk) 21:18, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
Category:Pittsburgh Labor History
[edit]- Propose renaming Category:Pittsburgh Labor History to Category:Labor history of Pittsburgh
- Nominator's rationale: This should be made consistent with all other categories of history by specific topic in a specific region. See, for example, the subcategories of Category:Labor history by country or Category:Cold War history by country. Also MOS:TITLECASE. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 17:49, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
Renamerename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:18, 6 February 2025 (UTC)
- Unbolded per discussion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Rename Category:Labor movement in Pittsburgh to match Category:Labor movement in Pennsylvania. Make it a sub-category of Category:History of Pittsburgh and Category:Economy of Pittsburgh.--User:Namiba 14:53, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- That is also a possibility. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Alt rename, as suggested by Namiba? Clear consensus for a rename.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:03, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Just merge to Category:Labor relations in Pittsburgh. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:16, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per Aidan721, the distinction between Category:Pittsburgh Labor History and Category:Labor relations in Pittsburgh (which is a history category too) is unclear. I am not wholly against a rename, as discussed above, but merging is the best solution. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:11, 14 February 2025 (UTC)